User talk:Alvaldi

Category:Icelandic restaurateurs has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Estopedist1 (talk) 21:47, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for you comments on the RM. As you point out, the entire Living bio article corpus is fully spelled. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:19, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Of course the same editors who swamped athlete AfDs with "Keep meets NFOOTY" have pivoted toward insisting trivial routine coverage is GNG. This clearly should have been relisted given the last !vote had no basis in guidelines and KKL literally just learned he should say "meets GNG" instead of "played professionally". JoelleJay (talk) 16:05, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@JoelleJay I thought about taking this to Wikipedia:Deletion review but I'm unsure if it passes WP:DRVPURPOSE. But these attempts game a GNG pass should definitely be brought up somewhere for discussion before it gets out of hand, similar to the American Football projects attempts to bypass GNG with WP:IAR. Especially if Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vilikesa Vosagaga also gets kept because of four lines in two articles written one week apart. Alvaldi (talk) 16:26, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, DRV is frequented by a lot of editors who disagreed with NSPORT2022, don't understand NSPORT, or refuse to acknowledge it, so I doubt that would be a useful avenue, especially when this is a case of editors making superficially guideline-based !votes. The gaming is so obvious to regular participants who have been able to watch the evolution of !voting strategy over time, and many of the admin closers are aware of this (and are probably as frustrated as we are--see Randykitty's comment at the Robbins AfD), but they know if they close against a numerical majority based on knowing the history of the keep !voters they'll be savaged at DRV. ArbCom would probably normally be the best option for such nuanced longterm patterns, but given they didn't seem to appreciate the severity of the problem at the last case I'm doubtful they'd even accept something like this. But I agree something does need to be done.

Oh and I also wanted to thank you for making not feel so utterly alone in these AfDs -- sometimes I think specializing exclusively in interrogating keep-trending discussions isn't so great for my mental health lol. JoelleJay (talk) 17:05, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@JoelleJay Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports) maybe? There has generally been broader spectrum of editors there. Some more no-nonsense than others.

No thanks needed, I quite enjoy diving headfirst into AfD's regularly and then spend the night completely perplexed over why in the world I did that :) Alvaldi (talk) 18:51, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I'm definitely beginning to think we need more explicit guidance at NSPORT regarding routine transactional coverage and perhaps how to identify primary/non-independent content that isn't in the super obvious western quotation marks format. Especially given the recent influx of inexperienced sportsperson AfD participants who seem to be dazzled by signing/transfer buzz and think a journalist reporting how someone "felt" is independent coverage. At least some of the AfDs are starting to turn around, maybe helped along by the couple surprising partial reversals by FA. JoelleJay (talk) 04:45, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oh and not to mention the font of ridiculously mundane over-detail that comes from hyper-local news... JoelleJay (talk) 04:21, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@JoelleJay I think it would be a good idea to start a discussion at NSPORT to clarify what routine news reporting for athletes is. While not all transactional coverage is routine IMO (this comes to mind as something that is not routine), most of it is. This is as routine as it gets, but something like this is probably something that editors might have a different interpretation on (as long as it isn't a press release). Most match reports is definitely routine although I've occasionally come across some that cover a single individual in detail (very rarely though).

Also, I would have thought that the part of sources that cover how a subject "felt" would obviously be WP:PRIMARY. Alvaldi (talk) 08:59, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Totally agree regarding your source assessments and predictions of how editors would interpret them. I certainly wouldn't consider the last source SIGCOV since it doesn't contain any secondary analysis, but for sure there would be people arguing it counts. One of the big issues now though is evaluating the really old sources in hyper-local newspapers, where they appear alongside ridiculous small-town gossip but contain a lot of very hagiographic language/primary observations in addition to the usual routine transactional news, which gives certain editors the impression that all that extra detail is secondary encyclopedic material and thus "beyond routine". Not to mention the cohort of editors who are adamant that routine/NOTNEWS doesn't apply to people...

Also, I would have thought that the part of sources that cover how a subject "felt" would obviously be WP:PRIMARY. You'd think! But editors felt differently here, about this source.... JoelleJay (talk) 18:11, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That source is almost all primary. If I'm not mistaken, the only thing non-primary regarding him there is his age and what team he played for. Alvaldi (talk) 10:38, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@JoelleJay The newest head scratcher for me is the opinion that league websites, despite having direct interest in promoting teams and players within their ranks, are independent of their players as they are not the players direct employers, and thus can count as sources towards GNG. Alvaldi (talk) 10:12, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If it was up to just these editors (and sometimes it is!) we would have dozens of articles sourced exclusively to FIFA, transfer announcements, and blogs. That's clearly disruptive, and yet I doubt ANI would support any type of sanctions on editors who repeatedly post/endorse that shit. Might be worth a try in the near future though. JoelleJay (talk) 18:02, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Case in point: the insanity at Robert Zebelyan, which is at 40kb+ now after some gigantic walls of text from DO complaining about deletionists. And of course the usual crew showing up to support his refbombs and claims of GNG... JoelleJay (talk) 21:29, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to drop by and mention this mess where editors decided that coverage of a young footballer's sudden death doesn't fail SUSTAINED because all the primary news reports also contained a handful of biographical details (that came directly from press releases)... JoelleJay (talk) 17:44, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I actually took a brief look at that AfD a few days ago and thought it propably lacked the sustained coverage to pass GNG. Never got around looking for older sources though or taking a second look at this. Alvaldi (talk) 19:07, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I've been slacking on looking at sportsperson AfDs lately too. Unfortunately that's led to quite a few more keeps that were never appropriately evaluated, since it seems like everyone who has standards for SIGCOV is taking a break at the same time. JoelleJay (talk) 20:19, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Alvaldi; I'm a Wikipedian from Switzerland quite interested in all things Icelandic, of which you seem to be knowledgeable judging by your edits. I'm going to update the German Wikipedia article about Fréttablaðið now that it has ceased publication, and in this context, I have a question: Do you know any sources about the status of DV as a printed newspaper, resp. when exactly (if at all) it ceased to be printed and went online-only? Though User:Dagvidur edited the article in May 2022 to say "Today it [sic] online only", they gave no source, and Icelandic Wikipedia (I have some basic understanding of Icelandic) still describes it as a weekly newspaper in is:DV. If I look it up in timarit.is, the last issue available there is from May 15, 2021, but that might also be a moving wall for access, so was that really the last printed issue? I could ask Dagvidur directly, of course, but as they don't seem to be very active, I thought of asking you. What I find quite striking is that the last issue at timarit.is that looks like a regular newspaper with various news etc. is the one dated April 1, 2021 - the other issues until May 15 seem to consist largely of a single main article each portraying an Icelandic celebrity. So this all seems to be rather indicative that it wasn't printed anymore afterwards, but I don't find a clear statement, press release or something to that effect. Can you help? Gestumblindi (talk) 19:14, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Gestumblindi. There are several sources that state that DV decided on 6 April 2021 to temporary cease with its print issue [1][2]. The issues after that seem only include the weekend interviews and I suspect they were only published online. On a sidenote, DV was own by the same company as Fréttablaðið, Torg ehf.. However, its ownership along with those of hringbraut.is and Iceland Magazine has been moved to Fjölmiðlatorgið ehf. as of today per this. Alvaldi (talk) 19:41, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, that's helpful! Per Iceland's commercial register (Fyrirtækjaskrá), this company Fjölmiðlatorgið ehf. was founded already 20.09.2022. Gestumblindi (talk) 19:54, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've just done 10 hours to Japan to Dubai, 7 hours to London, my head is still bouncing like it is still on an airplane! Anyway, it does bug me out that there probably are offline sources on historic footballers, they are just bloody hard to find that is all. I want to have faith! Anyway, I am going back to bed! Peace. Govvy (talk) 09:30, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Govvy Hope you had safe travels! Look, I'm not hellbent on deleting all articles of old players (I've saved quite a few by finding sources) but in my experience there aren't any indications that being a professional players in those days, let alone in lower leagues or non-league, resulted in any significant coverage for the vast majority of those players. In the case of Charles Ryan (footballer), I spent a decent time trying several different search terms but came up with nothing other than those routine and non-significant 14-words of his signing with Crystal Palace and a couple of mentions of a Ryan in match reports. That unfortunately doesn't give me any faith in Ryan having been a well known footballer during his career. Alvaldi (talk) 11:12, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for adding sources there. I started that page 12 years ago, but never went back to try to turn it into an article. I'm ashamed to say that I can't understand Icelandic at all, even if I recognise a few words from other Nordic languages, but it looks as if you don't have that problem. So, may I ask you two questions: is Asgeir Jónsson the author of the Alþýðublaðið piece (I see that name at the foot of the first column); and is there an article on this topic in Icelandic Wikipedia? – because if there is it would be good to link them together. Many thanks for your help! Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:49, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Justlettersandnumbers Ásgeir Jónsson is the author of the article "Horfnir góðhestar" on the same page but not the one that discusses Tölt. Unfortunately it wasn't uncommon for Icelandic newspaper articles to be published with out the authors name in those days. The Icelandic Wikipedia has a minor article on the subject here [3]. Alvaldi (talk) 17:53, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi. Thanks for your additions at Clifton Bush. Bush's Eurobasket profile notes "1995-1996: Snaefell (ISL2)". I would have added that info to Bush's article based on that. Do you think what Eurobasket lists there has any merit? DaHuzyBru (talk) 06:06, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DaHuzyBru The Eurobasket.com profile seems to have gotten that wrong as far as I can see. The roster listing for Snæfell from the 1995-1996 season does not list him (note that only the games in the statistics are correct, most of the games don't have statistics[4]). There is also a very useful article on the old Icelandic Basketball Association website that lists the history of foreign players in the country. It first lists him during the 1996-1997 season with Breiðablik and lists Brian A. Kopf as the only foreign player with Snæfell that season. The Icelandic newspaper archive, Tímarit.is, first mentions him in January 1997 when he joins Breiðablik. Alvaldi (talk) 10:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I saw you have recently changed the Jón Gnarr article to change mentions fo his surname Gnarr to his given name Jón. Unlike most Icelanders, he has an actual surnamne - "Gnarr" is legally recognized as his surname by the Icelandic courts. Glide08 (talk) 16:36, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Icelandic people are properly referred to by their given name, regardless of whether their last name is a surname or a patronymic/matronymic, as is stated at the top of the article. Alvaldi (talk) 19:36, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]